How About Tory Brexit Promises Then?!



Here’s an indicator of establishment double-talk that results in voter doublethink.

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Right now we have a government that has reneged on its pledge to leave the EU on the 29th March, that no deal is better than a bad deal and that there would be no customs union but is now engaged in talks with the EU and the Labour Party to break just about all its pledges and manifesto promises.

Now, a while ago I signed up to a petition to change the general election voting system to one proportional representation (PR).

That petition has now just gone over the 50,000 signature milestone.

The government has responded that it will not be changing the election system for several reasons. I will leave out the bit in the response that talks about why the government thinks that First Past the Post (FPTP) is the best electoral thing since sliced bread and direct your attention to the first and last paragraphs. Here we go with the first paragraph:

“In line with the result of the Parliamentary Voting System referendum in 2011, the Government will not change the current First Past the Post voting system for elections to the House of Commons.”

And now for the third paragraph:

“In addition, it is worth noting that the Government’s manifesto committed, to keep the First Past the Post system for elections to the House of Commons, in line with the result of the Parliamentary Voting System referendum in 2011, in which the overwhelming majority voted to retain the current system. The Government does not, therefore, have plans to change the voting system at the present time.”

So, the government response to the petition calling for PR can be dismissed with talk of an eight year old referendum and promises made in their last 2017 election manifesto.

But statute law that says the UK will leave the EU on the 29th March in accordance with the largest exercise in democracy ever seen in the UK – the 2016 EU referendum – as well as recent 2017 manifesto promises from the two main parties for an election where well over 80% of the electorate voted for a party that promised to respect the will of the people as shown by that referendum result, can all just be ignored and even fought against tooth and nail by the government and the establishment.

What is a good promise for one must surely be a good promise for the other.

The establishment must believe that it has people in the UK so conditioned, that it can issue statements like this with impunity.

As people say, the book ‘1984’ by George Orwell was a warning, but some are using it as an instruction manual.

Sources:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/245488

48 Replies

  1. Astronaut detective Reply

    Only concerned about your precious brexit.
    The tories have killed 120k people.
    Not a peep out of twats like you about that.

  2. ALA Reply

    Yep, the dumbed down sheep believe that wolves are now vegetarians.

  3. Roy Manewell Reply

    mmp….mixed member proportional voting sounds good dosent it,but here in nz it makes for list mp,s and believe me we have had some beauties,carefull what you wish for!

  4. Matt x69x Reply

    P.R voting is vulnerable to abuse, jebuss this current lot can't even get yes no two options right P.R wouldn't stand a chance, instead of keep voting till you get the result you want you'll get keep counting till you get the result you want.

  5. sexkev1001 Reply

    If UKIP win in a general election, would they change our voting system to one of proportional representation? I do hope so.

  6. Purple Nurple Reply

    Seems referendums, manifestos and laws were more important back in 2011.

  7. Skid Mark Reply

    The con lab would loose if the system were changed

  8. Mark Dalton Reply

    I notice recently that Remain are doing their best to undermine the notion of parliamentary democracy with regards to the manifestos of the 2017 GE. "People didn't vote for those parts, people vote for a party for lots of reasons". Yet when it involved 25 years of pro EU activity, we got told by the same people that it was mandated by parliamentary democracy.

  9. Calvary Crusader Reply

    May is attempting to fornicate with the Labour Party to hatch a plot to deliver her illegitimate REMAIN DEAL.

  10. Frankly Frank Reply

    Watched Barca dealing with MUD like a kitten handles a papeball last night….BREXIT of the C league.Curiosity led me to look in to it……No english players or coaches. Will a imaginary souvereignity and indipendence project really make England a better place?

  11. kevin parker Reply

    Liars the lot of them. & Jacob Rees Mogg doing the old 'Bad cop good cop' routine then folding like a pack of cards, i would do the old 'Wouldn't piss on em if they were on fire' routine!'

  12. Kim Haslam Reply

    It’s bad enough trying to get anything done with the two party first past the post system. With PR it would be nigh on impossible. If Brexit has proven anything it’s that MPs have no idea what the word governing means. PR would be like having Brexit going on for time immemorial. The electorate would be slashing their wrists before the next election came along.

  13. Simon Powell Reply

    Hi Jeff..From the PC Shithole UK…Thank You…..BUT…..The only way forward is revolution…..Any Political Party which threatens the Status Quo will be declared Illegal and blocked…..

  14. Andrew Thomas Reply

    Grass roots tories need to get rid of the anti democratic poison killing conservatism

  15. David BARNETT Reply

    i would like to see more about the Lisbon treaty in Parliament and get it spoken about nationally . Funny how the ERG never bring it up ,we could get millions of remainers changing their minds if they knew what was coming in 2020. I cant believe how many leavers dont know about it , SURELY THIS OUR SECRET WEAPON !! WE NEED TO TELL EVERYONE !!!!

  16. Derick Martin Reply

    We the people need to clean out that swamp at Westminster!!!

  17. rob watts Reply

    Make MPs directly answerable to their constituency party membership.

  18. A Nationalist Reply

    Let’s face everything they have ever promised has been a smokescreen for the lies they actually deliver.

  19. t cakes Reply

    EU raise me up, so I can stand on mountains
    EU raise me up, to walk on stormy seas
    I am strong, when I am on your shoulders
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  20. Shackled Citizen Reply

    Proportional representational voting systems result in fudge and compromise. This satisfies nobody. The coalition under Cameron showed this completely. The half baked Liberal schemes had to be taken into account. Sorry Jeff I agree with everything you say, but not P.R.

  21. Michael O Neill Reply

    We left 29th of March, it's just that this government doesn't want to see us celebrate

  22. Lapin Logic Reply

    "No deal is better than a bad deal"….. Holds Talks with Corbyn to forge a BAD DEAL hybrid of the backstop treaty and Labours customs union

  23. Captain Dallas Reply

    May is a despicable wretch and Corbyn is appallingly weak. I despise them all and have come to realise that rather than just give up on them, I will vote whenever possible and it will be anything but LibLabCon. I'm sick of establishment lies, lies and more lies.

  24. Carol Gillett Reply

    Seems to me that the new order here in UK is that the many are overruled by the few. The vote no longer counts for anything as long as the traitors are in power. Vote for UKIP!!!

  25. James Cook Reply

    What do Brits think of Nigel Farage? Will he split the vote? Will Britain go UKIP?

  26. jrbs Reply

    I keep writing to my MP and Mrs May. I am livid with these traitors.

    My latest letter connected with this video:

    I write once again, because I am perplexed by the selective application of our democracy. This leads me to believe that we now live in a dictatorship very much like that of Turkey ruled by Erdogan. 

    I have always believed that the first past the post voting system simply does not work and have always campaigned for a proportional representation system to be introduced, which I believe would be fairer. I was influenced in my younger years by my Grandfather who was a Lincolns Inn Barrister and editor of legal books.

    I recently signed a Government Petition for reforming the voting system. Enough people signed this to warrant it being discussed at Westminster; presumably by a committee in a broom cupboard.

    The Government responded with a fairly detailed answer and a perfectly valid justification for not considering changing the current first past the post voting system. Oh well, we can't always have our own way in a democracy! …and I accept that.

    The last paragraph in the Government statement reads,

    "In addition, it is worth noting that the Government’s manifesto committed, to keep the First Past the Post system for elections to the House of Commons, in line with the result of the Parliamentary Voting System referendum in 2011, in which the overwhelming majority voted to retain the current system. The Government does not, therefore, have plans to change the voting system at the present time".

    This is a perfectly worthy reason and one that those who believe in democracy must respect.

    So why has parliament held a Referendum, for remaining or withdrawing from the EU, where a majority of voters voted to withdraw from the EU and where at the subsequent general election, over 80% of those who voted, voted for the two main parties (Labour and Conservative) who's manifestos clearly committed to honouring the vote in line, with the result of the Referendum in 2016? 

    This is yet another example of democracy being destroyed. How would the Labour party like it, having won the next general election, if Thersa May decided that she could not accept the result and did everthing in her power to overturn it in order to save the voting public from themselves?

    I'm sorry to have to write again and I never felt the need to write in this manner before, but I am so angry that democracy has been destroyed. This is the thin edge of the wedge and if Parliament can get away with it once, it will want more; like a drug addiction. This is how dictatorships emerge.  Turkey was a secular democracy, now look at it, its a complete mess, decent people are leaving and Erdogan cannot accept the democratic election results and believes that the voting public are insane and need saving from themselves.

    Yours as ever!

  27. David Barlow Reply

    It might be worth mentioning that Robin Tillbrook's challenge to May's illegal behaviour starts tomorrow.
    There is a crowdfunding appeal,and it looks like he may need a little help.

  28. leenewbe Reply

    hypocrites in parliament, nah surely that cant be true.

  29. BcA - Biciclind cu Axel Reply

    You voted Brexit to be ruled ONLY by English politicians and now you discovered that your English politicians are corupt and scums ?:)))

  30. Alistair Knott Reply

    The current 2 major parties are playing school ground politics, and hopefully this will be shown in the next general election

  31. Michael Elmer Reply

    From an American citizen with deep English roots: GO BREXIT PARTY! May and her TORY Remainers have been bought off by the EU with money (40 billion pounds are at stake for the EU) or offers of a life time positions with the EU. Why else would they Sellout their country, ruin their own political party, and put the citizens of England into permanent slavery to the EU??? Follow the money.
    A great American patriot- PATRICK HENRY said in a famous speech in 1776, "GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH" A great American politician – Thomas Jefferson said in 1787 – "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants!" Both were of British families but felt the need to resist royal imposition of unjust laws and actions.

  32. Christopher Wayne Reply

    The main parties know full well the gullible public will continue voting for them come what may, so why change?

  33. habana sunrise Reply

    Does anyone know why Lizzy is keeping quiet over all this?.after all wasn't she the one that signed what ever it was that made 29/03/2019 law

  34. t cakes Reply

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  35. t cakes Reply

    Petition with 50.000 signatures for proportional representation…… is that more than the 8,000,000 revoke article 50 petition signatures ….

  36. MeesterDash Reply

    Current state of the government is a disgrace

  37. gbjanuary Reply

    I want the Tories out don't trust any of them they have put the Tory party first before country and people.🐍🐍🐍🐍

  38. Pieter le Roux Reply

    Maybe the Brits should stop blaming the politicians for remaining a colony of the EU? The voters gave the politicians the power to do what they want…

  39. TomTrust Reply

    When will someone bang Nigel Farage’s and Gerard Batten’s heads together? Their
    alpha-male posturing and mutual mud-slinging is the last thing the 17.4m Leave
    voters need right now. We don’t want their bone-headed behaviour splitting the
    Brexit vote in any election. Whatever happened to Country before Party? We need
    them both in Brussels and Westminster

  40. SAHBfan Reply

    Alas, youtube is a bubble. A bubble filled with people who have wised up in many cases… but go outside and talk to the sheeple who only watch TV and read newspapers for their 'news'. It is horrifying. Amazing how many people don't even know who Gerrard Batten is, think Farage is still leading UKIP and who want to vote Labour to keep the tories out – or visa versa. I fear the bar stewarts in parliament know what they are doing. The reach of main stream media still massively exceed that of the internet. Sure, the internet is a big part of many peoples lives, but mostly only for games and porn. Those watching Jeff Taylor, sadly, are in a tiny minority…

  41. Un Believer Reply

    Well of course. Why would turkeys vote for Christmas?

  42. Phil Dobson Reply

    Here are some winning policies for UKIP, equal and opposite of the policies that lost May her majority:
    Return pension age to 65 paid for by VAT (pensioners spend all their pension money, so state pension is Money in Circulation, keeping businesses going and coming back to the government in VAT)

    Free school dinners reinstated.
    Paid for by VAT: Parents pay a great deal in VAT providing their children with clothing, toys etc.

    "UK pays nearly a fifth of all VAT that goes into the EU budget"

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